Fr. Kramer Answers His Critics
Folbrecht:
It is not "invective" or "name-calling" that I "resort to"; but, since it is a GLARING FACT that you manifest that you are irrational in your futile attempts at logical argumentation; you justly and fittlngly merit to be referred to as an IDIOT. You certainly recall that I wrote: 《What I have explained is a critical distinction that remains clearly in the realm of speculative theology, but YOU, most stupidly and irrationaly misconstrue it to be an affirmation that the "Church that Jesus Christ founded", did in fact "magically change into this "counterfeit church".》
I stated, (and I further clarified), a proposition of "speculative theology" -- SPECULATIVE, as in "theoretical" or "abstract"; and is therefore, not attributable to any actual, existential entity. Nevertheless, you manifest your idiocy by blindly asserting that my speculative proposition refers
to the actually existing Church: 《 What you call "a... counterfeit and
heretical church that would call itself 'Catholic,' but in fact would
NOT be Catholic" is, of course, the very Church that has recognized
Francis as pope 》.
Mr. Folbrecht: What I called a "counterfeit and heretical
church" in my proposition is, according to the proper signification of
its terms, a theoretical ens rationis; and as such, refers to something NOT ACTUALLY EXISTING -- what the ancient Greeks called, "ὡς οὐκ ἐστίν".
This is, according to the proper signification of its terms, the clear
and unequivocal meaning of my proposition; which, therefore, logically
excludes from the signification of its terms, something pertaining to
the category of actually existing things (ὅπως ἐστίν); and which would in scholastic philosophy fall into the category of ens reale. Thus, my proposition about a mere ens rationis, is, gratuitously and without rational basis, understood by you to refer to an ens reale, in your proposition: 《But
you just, again, described the Body that the entire world recognizes as
the Catholic Church as a "counterfeit and heretical church.》 Now that, Mr. Folbrecht, is what is known as a non sequitur: In my proposition, I said nothing about "the Body that the entire world recognizes as the Catholic Church". YOU, PATENTLY VIOLATING THE BASIC RULES OF LOGIC, ARE CLEARLY MISREPRESENTING THE PLAIN MEANING OF MY WORDS, IN THE MALICIOUS ATTEMPT TO TWIST THEM LIKE A PRETZEL, AND FRAUDULENYLY MAKE MY SPECULATIVE THEOLOGICAL PROPOSITION APPEAR TO BE A HERETICAL STATEMENT ABOUT THE CHURCH.
The rest of your logically incoherent rant on this and related points, hinges directly on this non sequitur conclusion, which you blindly adhere to even AFTER the obvious and blatent non sequitur has been pointed out to you. Thus, YOU PLAINLY MANIFEST YOUR DISHONESTY AND MALICE.
Your dishonesty is further manifested in your proposition, 《Whatever Body you consider to be the Catholic Church you don't say - you leave it unsaid. And that says it all, it would seem.》
I have clearly stated my position on
that point (and I have already corrected you on this point); but you
obstinately and blindly insist on gratuitously asserting, like a
senseless and stubborn ass, that my concise and clearly expressed
theological position on this and other points, amounts to nothing but, "tomes of contradictory, vague rhetoric". I based my own exposition first,
on Mgr. Lefebvre's theology, in my book, The Suicide of Altering the
Faith in the Liturgy, excerpts of which I also referred to in my recent
articles; and then amplified with an application of the doctrine of Mgr.
Tissier de Mallerais, (http://www.dominicainsavrille.fr/leglise-conciliaire-existe-t-elle/), in my treatise on Defection from the Faith and the Church. (https://1drv.ms/w/s!Aqqzgk1nw6-HhlxVUnT3OBRl0GIJ)
It is no
accident that Fr. Chazal's concise formulation* expresses exatly what I
have explained in my writings, since his Ecclesiology is also based on
Mgr, Lefebvre's doctrine, which simply applies the principles of
traditional Catholic theology to the situation of the Church under the
conciliar popes. Your blatant hypocrisy, is identical to the hypocrisy of Salza & Siscoe, which singles me out for allegedly professing the Protestant heresy of an invisible Church, even long after I have amply demonstrated that my Ecclesiology, on the nature of the Conciliar Church, is identical in
the orthodox application of the principles of Catholic theology to the
post-conciliar Church, as that of Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Tissier
de Mallerais.
* "there are three chuches at play now.
the Visible Catholic Church. the Official Church, whose administrative part is taken over by ennemies of the Church. the
Conciliar Church, which is indeed a counterfeit Church. it is like a
virus that came into a cell and tried to take over it s dna. even if it
is inside, it is foreign. it has not yet taken over the entirety of the
official church, or mainstream church as we call it, into heresy. but it
is definitely in the process of doing so, and unles people jump out, in
their own God s good time, and in their time of grace, they will be
killed. hence, in my humble opinion, even if i cannot call the Official
Church a false church, it is a killing field where souls are in danger." - (Fr. François Chazal)
You fallaciously and mendaciously state:
《If your bishop does not recognize Francis as the successor of Peter, he has broken with the entire visible Church, and is in schism.》
The entire Church does not reject, but still accepts Pope Benedict XVI's claim on the munus petrinum,
(and Francis, his Cardinals and his hierarchy know they cannot nullify
that claim which he expressly refused to renounce); and therefore, my
recognition (and somewhat quietly that of a considerable and growing number of faithful & clergy, including some bishops, and notably also Fr. Nicholas Gruner) of Benedict's claim on the munus petrinum cannot
possibly constitute a break with the entire visible Church into schism,
as you so dishonestly and mendaciously assert would be the case. Your
proposition also rejcts by way of strict logical implication, the
Catholic doctrine, unanimously taught by canonists, according to which,
one is not a schismatic who refuses submission due to positive doubt about the person of the pontiff, or the validity of his election.
According to your Salza/Siscoe conciliar Ecclesiology (published and endorsed by Mgr. Fellay's SSPX) -- that same Conciliar Ecclesiology (which Mgr. Tissier & Mgr. Lefebvre previously characterized as heretical and "Masonic") -- the heretical conciliar church IS (according to that opinion) the infiltrated, persecuted and suffering CATHOLIC CHURCH. According to your heretical doctrine, the invading organism -- the tumor, the cancer, the heresy, i.e. the Conciliar Church; WHICH IS IN FACT THE INVADING CANCER, is professed to be the VISIBLE CATHOLIC CHURCH! Your doctrine fails to distinguish between the invading cancer and the body of the Church; but heresies have always invaded the Church in this manner: even
the Arians were denounced as heretics by individual bishops and local
synods, and shunned by Catholics, before the heretics were formally
condemned by the Church. According to your heretical doctrine,
their manifest heresy would not by itself, according to its very nature
have severed them from the visible body of the Church; but that only
would have been accomplished upon their being judged by Church
authority, or if they had openly declared their rejection of the Church
as the rule of faith (which they had never done).
The application of the false principles of your errant
Ecclesiology to the presently emerging situation in the Church, would
catastrophically recognize the heretical Conciliar (counter-)Church as
the visible Catholic Church, and stigmatize the faithful Catholic
remnant Church as "schismatic", for however long the the Conciliar
Church would not be formally condemned by the legitimate authority, even
if the legitimate authority should find itself impeded for some
considerable period of time. A few days ago Pope Benedict warned that
the boat (of Peter), the Church: "the boat has taken on so much water as to be on the verge of capsizing." Bergoglio is on record of having said that ALL the divorced and remarried will be admitted to Holy Communion. The Catholic discipline must be overthrown, and a new, permissive morality must become the basis of the new discipline, which will be identical to the discipline of the most liberal Protestants. This is directly
opposed to divine law; and to institutionalize it will violate the
divine constitution of the Church, according to which the Church is
HOLY, and teaches and legislates according to divine law. Such a reform
will constitute the defection of the "Conciliar Church" from
Catholicism. Not only adulterers will be given the sacraments, but sodomites, and transgender, and all varieties of perverts as well.
Bergoglio is also on record of having replied to the Lutherans in Sweden, that he intends to bring about full communion between the Catholic Church and the Protestant sects. When that happens, it
will not be the true & visible Catholic Church, which, remaining
faithful to dogma, will refuse to unite with other religions and
denominations, and which will remain faithful to the Law of Christ; but
it will be the APOSTATE CHURCH -- the Conciliar Church,
(which as a cancer within has so corrupted the official mainstream
Church, some of which at present, is at least still formally Catholic
and only materially Conciliar and heretical), that will visibly consummate
its apostasy from Catholicism by visibly separating itself from true
Church and join in communion with the sects. I am not speculating or
theorizing about this defection which is already in progress: Jorge
Bergoglio has already declared it to be the agenda of his (bogus)
pontificate, which he declares he intends to make "irreversible".
When that happens (not if but when; Bergoglio says it will happen),
then the visible break of the "Conciliar Church" from the true Catholic
Church will be accomplished and consummated, as Pope Leo XIII
foretold: 《Ecclesiam, Agni immaculati sponsam, faverrrimi hostes
repleverunt amaritudinibus, inebriarunt absinthio; ad omnia
desiderabilia ejus impias miserunt manus. Ubi sedes beatissimi Petri et
Cathedra veritatis ad lucem gentium constituta est, ibi thronum
posuerunt abominationis et impietatis suæ; ut percusso Pastore, et
gregem disperdere valeant.》
("Behold the Church, the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, filled with
bitterness and inebriated with gall by the most crafty enemies; who
have laid impious hands on all that is most sacred. Where the See of the
most blessed Peter and the Chair of the truth, was constituted as the
light of the nations, there they have set up the throne of their
abominable impiety, so that the shepherd being struck, the sheep may be
dispersed."
Thus, “where the See of the most blessed Peter and the
Chair of the Truth was constituted as the light of the nations, there
they [the Masonic Sankt Gallen Mafia] have raised the throne of their
abominable impiety”. These words actually refer to Apostate
Conciliar Rome, where the “throne of abominable impiety” will be, and
under Bergoglio has been “raised up”, and is the visible entity that
occupies the place “where the See of the most blessed Peter and the
Chair of Truth" was "set up as the light of the nations”, as Cardinal Henry Edward Manning also explained more than 20 years earlier in his book, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, basing his conclusion on the unanimous teaching of the ancient Fathers. Cardinal Manning wrote: "I
think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute.
First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the
opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarez, Bellarmine and Bosius
that Rome shall apostatize from the Faith, drive away the Vicar of
Christ and return to its ancient Paganism. ...Then the Church shall
be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it
was in the beginning, invisible; hidden in catacombs, in dens, in
mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were
from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church.”- (Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, pp. 88-90)
Against the teaching of the grestest theologians, and the universal teaching of the Fathers of the early Church, the adherents of the Salza/Siscoe/Folbrecht/Gaspers/Fr. Albert gang, basing their conviction not on dogmatic definitions, but on their own rigidly fundamentalistic private interpretations of the private opinions of such theologians as Ott and Van Noort; maintain that such a defection is impossible, and therefore, for them, the opinion that says it will happen, is judged by them to be heresy!
However, the defection will happen, as Scripture, the
ancient Fathers, and the Secret of Fatima foretell. When Bergoglio's
"reform" will have been consummated, (and Bergoglio has told the former
Jesuit superior general that he intends to remain in power until his
reforms become "irreversible"), the Vatican will be transformed into the headquarters of the apostate “Conciliar Church”, by a heretical false pope -- the "false church of darkness" foretold by Our Lady to Bl. Anna Katherine Emmerich. This is the very heart of the Third Secret, also mysteriously foretold in sripture: "The
kings of the earth, and all the inhabitants of the world would not have
believed, that the adversary and the enemy should enter in by the gates
of Jerusalem." (Lam. 4:12) This is the mystery of iniquity (2 Thess. 2:7), the operation of error that St. Paul speaks of (2 Thess. 2:10); and of which Our Blessed Lord says will be so great "insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect" (Matt. 24:24).
Thus, according to Cardinal Ratzinger's words in his 1984 Jesus Magazine interview, the Secret speaks of the dangers to the faith and the life of the Christian; and of the last things, which have been revealed in many Marian apparitions, and which correspond
to scripture. Whether one believes (as I do) that Bendict XVI is the
only valid pope at present, and Francis is an intruder on the throne; or
that Francis is a valid but unworthy and heretical occupant of the
Chair; either way it remains that the emerging apostate "church" that
Francis states he intends to inaugurate to replace the old religion,
will establish "the throne of their abominable impiety", in the place "Where the See of the most blessed Peter and the Chair of the truth, was constituted as the light of the nations"; "so that the shepherd [Pope Benedict XVI] being struck, the sheep may be dispersed."
As Fr. Chazal states: "the
exorcism of Leo XIII expresses this reality very well... the chair
remains, but it is occupied by something foreign spewing poison."
Thus the Third Secret of Fatima,
10 And
in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive
not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall
send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
(2 Thess. Ch. 7)
"the dangers to the faith and the life of the Christian; and of the last things, which have been revealed in many Marian apparitions, and which correspond to scripture:
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11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.
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7 For
the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth
(the true pope), do hold, until he be taken out of the way.
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Benedict
XVI has been "taken out of the way"; thus clearing the way for
Bergoglio's merging his counterfeit church into the One World Religion,
foretold by Pope St. Pius X -- "
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The Fellay approved Salza doctrine says Catholics must remain in communion with the visibly heretical and Masonic "visible (Conciliar) Church"; but thd word of God says, "
