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Thursday, November 30, 2017

Vatican II “NewChurch” vs. The Apostate Church



Vatican II “NewChurch” vs. The Apostate Church
By:  Eric Gajewski

Blessed Emmerich notes the difference…
Archbishop Lefebvre properly resists

I have touched upon this topic in times past, however, it is important, to return to this discussion, so that, we, can properly identify, who is, remaining faithful to Catholic doctrine.  There are many “popular” apologists and commentators, who are now, beginning, to wake up, to the reality, that, there is an anti-Church within the Church.  That is good, right?  Well, not exactly.  The problem is these same apologists and writers identify it as something new?  As if the “anti-Church” just showed up with Francis. BIG MISTAKE!  Somehow Francis and his liberal cohorts are “the anti-Church” and they are not?  Dead wrong!   They do not consider the Second Vatican Council as a problem and thus they actually are contributing to the Church’s destruction (objectively speaking).  Somehow, along the way, we have forgotten, Archbishop Lefebvre’s analysis in this crisis.  “…it is impossible for us to take any part in this conspiracy despite the fact that there may be many satisfactory declarations in Vatican II. The good texts have served as cover to get those texts which are snares, equivocal, and denuded of meaning, accepted and passed.”   With so many “dabbling” and faltering due to pseudo-traditionalism these days, this article, is, simply, a reminder that those prescribing to Vatican II hold to “NewChurch” principles and not Catholic ones.



We have recently seen a rise in overall awareness that “something is terribly wrong” with churchmen in the Church.  For argument’s sake let me use an analysis.  Vatican II in reality is a cancer and the false traditionalists of our days often only see it as a “cold’ (if that).  Cancer kills.  A cold, the vast majority of the time, will not.  

It is not that bad they say.  Stay away from the Council they say.  

It is only some of the “creative interpretations” by the local diocese or liberal media they say.  Well, Lefebvre answered the false traditionalist’s, of our times, like Burke and Schneider and says this, “Some say the Council was good and has good, but only the reform is bad. But that is not true! Why? Because when Rome gave the reform, they always say the reforms they do, they do in the name of the Council. In the name of the Council! It is evident that all reform came from the Council, and if the reform is bad, it is impossible that the Council is good and all reforms are bad. Because that is the authentic interpretation of the Council by Rome!”   

It is clear how Rome is interpreting the Council and its not in any Catholic sense.  It pertains to this “cult of man” established by Paul the 6th.  A cult which no Catholic can have the hopes of saving their soul in objectively speaking.  The doctrines were bad AND the reform was bad.  BOTH.  It is time for the “false traddies” to truly wake up and realize they simply have been wrong all along.  Even Pope Benedict XVI said Vatican II was an attempted merger between the Revolution and the Church.   

I didn’t say he did.  So quit telling me to stay away from the council’s text’s.  

 For it is you who need educating.   

So, if they hold the authentic interpretation of the Council we must clearly conclude that it is they who are simply in error.  End of story.  No more excuses for the Council.  No more excuses for the New Mass which came from the Masons, heretics and Jews.  The man who does not properly point out what is ailing him might die.  A doctor is not being hateful by telling another man this even as I say that Vatican II is a cancer.  There is a big difference between viewing the Vatican II as a “cold” rather than stage 5 cancer.

Anyways, the cancer will eventually kill.  A wrong diagnosis may “kill” your soul.  That is how important doctrine is.  Thus, Vatican II NewChurch, which is materially heretical and is in a material schism will soon give way to the formal schism.   

Wait, I am confused Eric?  So where is the Church?   
  
Where will the Church be during the formal schism or this Apostate Church spoken of?   

Due to the material heresies of Vatican II no faithful Catholic ought be in those buildings wherein it is taught.  Where heresy is a Catholic cannot be.  We cannot say that these Popes and prelates are not members of the Church (generally speaking) but the day is coming when we will all have to make a decision.  A BIG DECISION.  Do I deny Christ and follow the antichrist and take his mark?  Do I try to fit in with the world and sit next to heretics and pagans in a “church” and sing KOOMBAYA together with them?  That day is coming.  This Apostate Church coming will not at all be the Catholic Church.  This is where “hardline traditionalists” like myself and sedevacantists disagree.  They say the formal schism has occurred.  It hasn’t.  The heresies remain on the material level not formal.  We could debate back and forth for days without ever agreeing.  Such is the times. 

Blessed Emmerich, in her writings, makes a clear distinction, between, the “new heterodox church of Rome and the “Apostate Church of Darkness in Rome”.  Both seemed similar she said.   

It is because the Conciliar principles are in place for the coming Apostate Church of Darkness.   

You know Vatican II “doctrine”.  The rights of man, human dignity babble, democracy, social justice/socialism, etc.  It is all moving man toward the formal Religion of the Man of Lawlessness.   You will notice how Blessed Emmerich said both of these “churches” reside in Rome.  Take your Pepto my modernist friend.  She is a real saint not the phony revolutionary ones of the “cult of man”.  Rome is about to turn to Masonic secular humanism.

“I saw that many of the instruments in the new Church, such as spears and darts, were meant to be used against the living Church. Everyone dragged in something different: clubs, rods, pumps, cudgels, puppets, mirrors, trumpets, horns bellows – all sorts of things. In the cave below (the sacristy) some people kneaded bread, but nothing came of it; it would not rise. The men in the little mantles brought wood to the steps of the pulpit to make a fire. They puffed and blew and labored hard, but the fire would not burn. All they produced was smoke and fumes. Then they broke a hole in the roof and ran up a pipe, but the smoke would not rise, and the whole place became black and suffocating. Some blew the horns so violently that the tears streamed from their eyes. All in this church belonged to the earth, returned to the earth. All was dead, the work of human skill, a church of the latest style, a church of man’s invention like the new heterodox church in Rome.”  ~ Blessed Emmerick



In the end, most do not realize this, but the NEO-SSPX now calls Vatican II a “legitimate” Council and not the “robber Council” that Archbishop Lefebvre told us.  We can’t accept this.  Vatican II will not stand the test of time.   

You won’t hear that Vatican II is the basis of a new religion in the false trad circles these days and thus they remain in error. 

Let us hear the St. Athanasius of our times speak yet again.   This Council gives the same rights to error as to Truth! That is impossible…This new faith, it is a new religion. It is a protestant religion. That is a fact! How is it possible that the Pope gives the authorization to this change? How it is possible that the pope can sign this constitution (on liturgical change)? It is a deep mystery…If I take the position of the Council, I am betraying my Mother Church.” (Archbishop Lefebvre, conference, 1976)  Or how about this quote.  “We are now faced with a grave choice: either we agree with the Council’s Declaration on Religious Freedom, and thus oppose the teachings of the Popes, or we agree with the teachings of the popes, and thus disagree with Vatican II’s Declaration on Religious Freedom. It is impossible to subscribe to both. I have made my choice: I choose Tradition. I cling to Tradition over novelty which is merely an expression of Liberalism, the very Liberalism condemned by the Holy See for a century and a half. Now this Liberalism has penetrated the Church through the Council, and its catchwords remain the same; liberty, equality and fraternity.  

   Archbishop Lefebvre maintained , that, although, those following Vatican II, were baptized as members of the Church, due to them following, material heresy, they have become complicit with the "anti-Church"  John Paul II included!


Still more?  If we are to understand fully and to measure the harm done by Vatican II, we must study this Council in the light of the Pontifical documents which, for nearly two centuries, put bishops, clergy and faithful on their guard against the conspiracy of the enemies of the Church acting through Liberalism and Modernism. It is also essential to know the documents of the opponents of the Church, and especially of the secret societies which had been preparing for this Council for more than a century. Finally, it will be very instructive to follow the reactions of Protestants, Masons and Liberal “Catholics” during and after the Council.”    

Shall I continue with more evidence?  “This Second Vatican Council Reform, since it has issued from Liberalism and from Modernism, is entirely corrupt; it comes from heresy and results in heresy, even if all its acts are not formally heretical. It is thus impossible for any faithful Catholic who is aware of these things to adopt this Reform, or to submit to it in any way at all. To ensure our salvation, the only attitude of fidelity to the Church and to Catholic doctrine, is a categorical refusal to accept the Reform.   

To say or imply Vatican II was a “Catholic council” is dangerous.  To say we can ignore the 5-10 percent error in the Council and still call it legit is absolutely absurd.  The Holy Ghost does not teach heresy and heresy is found over and over in the Council.  Religious liberty being just one of them.   

In the end, let me say, that, at least, hardline traditionalists and sedevacantists agree that we are dealing with heresy and something altogether “alien” to the faith and thus we must pray hard for these false traditionalists to wake up.  They are already on a very dangerous path.

Adding to that, what is beyond frightening, is the fact, that, the majority of self-professed Catholics, don’t see, that, they are being led into a formalized One World Religion.  

Dont take the Vatican II "cheese"


“Then I saw an apparition of the Mother of God, and she said that the tribulation would be very great. She added that people must pray fervently with outstretched arms, be it only long enough to say three Our Fathers. This was the way her Son prayed for them on the Cross. They must rise at twelve at night, and pray in this manner; and they must keep coming to the Church. They must pray above all for the Church of Darkness to leave Rome…”  Blessed Emmerick

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    1. I encourage you to use caution, remember Jesus saying that man will be accountable for every word that comes from their mouth. I find your articles very rabid toward pope Francis. You seam obsessed with a bad pope.

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    2. FALSE HE ISNT POPE HE IS AN INFIDEL AND MUST BE EXPOSED..NO MORE NONSENSE PLEASE

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  3. We will see if the formalised One World Religion comes about or not. In the meantime one doesn't have to be a sedevacantist in order to recognize that Rome is in apostasy and all its jurisdiction has followed it into apostasy to a greater or lesser extent.

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    1. it shall, the principles are in place, the midnight hour approaches

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  4. "Such was to be the new church...but God had other designs"
    Bl Emmerich

    Whereas now we have the apostate Church , the Antichrist when he re-appears as the 8th king and the personification of the Beast will concentrate the apostasy into himself. He himself will be the focus of the one world false religion.

    The great apostasy has been created to clear the way, to eradicate the dogma of faith which centres our faith and worship in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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  5. Tradcatknight, what is your opinion on the Garabandal apparitions? And when will your next talk be posted?

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    1. next talk will be up in less than 8 hours. I stay away from garabandal

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    2. Awesome! And I considered garabandal pretty legit. May yet be proven a hoax, but after all this time Idk.....

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    3. my apostolate is centered on fatima and lasalette

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    4. Yup those two approved apparitions are terrific prophetic resources

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    5. The Church can not yet make a formal judgement on Garabandal because the prophecies - specific events are still future tense.

      Except for the "many cardinals, bishops and priests on the road to perdition and taking many souls with them" - that was in 1965

      All that can be said in support are that Padre Pio willed his sudarium to the Garabandal shrine and Fr Malachi Martin stated publicly that the statements of Garabandal visionaries pointed to Fatima. And the burden of Garabandal was the great apostasy.

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  6. Great article...I am convinced beyond return that Vatican II (new church) EVIL...Traditional Roman Catholic Church/mass performed properly GOOD! That's MY story and I'm sticking to it!!! :) BRING IT ON ONE WORLD RELIGION (MATREIYA, FALSE PROPHET) THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST ARE ARMED AND READY TO FIGHT TO THE END!! AMEN!

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    1. how are you? how is the group going today

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    2. Annette Marie: I believe just as you do, but definitely am going to be praying for more courage and strength to fight the good fight that will be presented to us. God bless us all: the Remnant!

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  7. Blessed Anne Katherine Emmerich says in her book, The life and revelations of Anne Catherine Emmerich, that St Anne, the mother of Our Lady, had other children before Mary. Does anyone know if the Church ever ruled definitively on whether or not Mary was an only child? Blessed Emmerich said that St Anne had children long before Mary, but she knew that none of them was the one destined to be the Mother of God. After many years, Anne and Joachim were convinced it was on account of their sins that the child had not yet come, and repaired to the temple to offer the sacrifice of restitution. While there, an Angel appeared to Anne and assured her the child would indeed be born to her, and forthwith Anne did conceive and bore the Mother of God.

    Can anyone tell me if the Church confirmed or expounded on this? Thx!

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  8. The formal apostasy happened in the 60s with Vatican II. Those who went along with the changes "Novus Ordo" apostasized whether they realized it or not (2 Thess Ch 2), and that includes you and me and there are strict rules for admitting an heretic back into the Church. An abjuration of heresy must be formally made, or in these times at least privately. The Church is eclipsed. An heretic cannot be Pope. Without a Pope we do not have valid anything, period. We are in the extreme end times when the Sacrifice is suppressed (Daniel). Pius XII stated he was the last Pope of these times per Luigi Villa. Sedevacantism is not the answer it is simply another sect outside of the Church making up their own rules which break Church Law, as are all the others out there. There is only one answer and that is to keep the Faith at home privately, in the wilderness as described by Rev Ch 13, begging God for mercy and forgiveness for ourselves and others caught in Satan's vast web of traps. People like to call Vat II the "French Revolution in the Church" however they miss an important aspect: true Catholics REFUSED to attend "sacraments" of priests/bishops etc NOT SENT by the Pope (i.e. government ones). True Catholics stayed home rather than dare to break Church Law, for an "emergency" or otherwise. Period. Listen on YouTube to Fr Demaris They have taken away my Lord. This was a type of our times, but few are enlightened to this fact and the Truth of our precarious situation. Lefebvre signed EVERY document of Vat II - he also apostasized. When did he abjure his heresy?

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    1. no he didnt ..there articles on that mr sedevacantist....no the formal or grat apostasy has not occured you sedes are in error on the matter...i covered ll this in article...you should have read it and if you did and still hold to that opinion well then im not interested in hearing it

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    2. the new rites are doubtful not invalid and the conciliar church is in material schism the formal schism hasnt occurred yet sorry...

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    3. Thanks for your concise answers, Eric. Sometimes I learn more from your replies than I do from the articles. Little dollops of truth.

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    4. Eric, the commenter very clearly atates his ovjections to sede-vacantism!!!

      Re; Catholics at time of the French Revolution not participating in State-run "Masses", , a Trad Benedictine priest (who was not popular in the Order) had studied in France and told us the story of the village he stayed in wherein the Faithful had been told by their CATHOlIC priest going into exile to assemble elsewhere at the usual time of Mass and the gulaged valid priest would be saying MASS with which they could be in "communion." RESISTANCE!

      Anon writes RIGHTLY that CATHOLICS:
      " REFUSED to attend "sacraments" of priests/bishops etc NOT SENT by the Pope (i.e. government ones). True Catholics stayed home rather than dare to break Church Law, for an "emergency" or otherwise. Period. Listen on YouTube to Fr Demaris They have taken away my Lord. This was a type of our times, but few are enlightened to this fact and the Truth of our precarious situation..."

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  9. There's a difference between formal and material heresy, anonymous. If I, not knowing the documents contained heresy, signed them, but then found out later that they did, I would then have a choice. If I, at that point, publicly denounced the heresies for the poison they were, I would not be at fault. If I decided that just accepting them, errors and all, was easier than denouncing them and losing my position in Rome and said nothing, knowing full well I was putting my stamp of approval on heretical documents, then I would indeed be a heretic. I don't remember Archbishop Lefebvre ever signing the Vatican 2 documents, but if he did, his lifetime of denouncing the council as ecclesiastical suicide surely proves that it was in innocence. Archbishop Lefebvre will be a saint in the period of peace following our own, and more than likely will be canonized by the prophesied Angelic Pastor ( Peter 2)

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  10. It is all so clear to those who are open to the truth. These revelations perfectly describe our times.

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  11. Archbishop Lefebvre, or a pro nobis!

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  12. The anti-church principles were laid down at Vatican II. They were not laid down by Francis. You are right Eric. The Conciliar Popes taught these principles. There are no excuses for following their errors. Pat M.

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  13. Vatican II was the greatest disaster and deception the Church has seen. Most love the modern world hence why they love the errors thereof.

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  14. When does Vatican 2 get “struck down” as Prophecy says? Is that 25 years away or closer?

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  15. The heretics behind Vatican II were careful in “weaving” their erroneous doctrines into Orthodox ones. Only those paying close attention and who cared enough called out these liberals. Lefebvre was one of them. ~Karyn

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  16. How do those in the Novus ordo try to defend Pope Paul the 6th’s statement of the Council being reflective of the “cult of man”? Do they not have enough sense to know that is not the cult Catholics are in?

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  17. We must pray hard for conversions. First Friday’s are mandatory at this point.

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  18. You cut through the obfuscation of the vII apologists very well,Eric.

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  19. Another good article Eric. Thank you for staying faithful and maintaining Archbishop’s Lefebvre’s position. We need more like you out there.

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  20. *Rick L. -Unfortunately, there is so much division these days. If people had only remained faithful to what Lefebvre laid down there wouldn’t be as much
    confusion and animosity in the traditionalist movement. To many trying to be nice rather than holding firm on truth.

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  21. I was on facebook today in one group and you should have heard the things they say about you, LOL Poor blind people….

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  22. Great analogy just like Archbishop Lefebvre said. Vatican II is poison and only a little poison will kill your soul

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  23. I will keep saying it. TCK you are the best site out there keeping us properly informed. I will be sending out another donation next week.

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  24. It is like a “cold war” amongst traditionalist’s these days. I don’t see how it will work out in the end. Lord knows…….

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  25. Rights of man is completely Masonic and Vatican II stands behind it. Leo XIII condemned it. Let us hear something of the rights of God and His Church!

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  26. Some great quotes from the good Archbishop. He will be made a saint one day

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  27. The picture of Bl. Ememrich holding her head is most telling. I have the distinction of having been TWICE threatened with "excommunication" by

    1)novos ordo Dominican "Laity" chaplain for attending (I had NO idea) the "WRONG LATIN/SSPX) Mass AND

    2)a sede who insisted that in some Papal Bull (aptly named by this rogue) that the DEVOTION to the HOLY FACE was banned!

    I presently attend neither. CLERGY are over the top with their legalistic hair-splitting$, in th odrer of PHARISEES, the SCRIBES!

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  28. Indeed! Vatican II was a “robber council” full of errors and heresies that no Catholic can accept.

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  29. Let us keep fighting for Tradition. We need more like you Eric. Keep up the good work. Keep me in prayer please.

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  30. One World Religion/Beast System= Harlot=Babylon

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  31. The message of Fatima is essentially the same message of this revelation. It concerns the Faith and involves the New World Order.

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  32. The NWO/V2/Freemason/Kabbalistic/Zoharist "NEW CHURCH" is APOSTASY:

    Archbishop Lefebvre Forum

    FORUMS   DISCUSSIONS


    Fr Gommar A De Pauw

    14 posts  03 Jun 2016, 07:24 #1

    The CANONICAL, MORAL and DOGMATIC Grounds for rejecting the NEW (Mass)
    and Retaining the TRUE MASS.--1975

    Now available, and back in print ... Written by Father Gommar DePauw
    R.I.P. a doctor of Canon Law who wrote and

    spearheaded the Traditional Catholic movement in late 60s.

    Thirty eight pages explaining why we must reject the new mass. Page 23 .

    "Among the twenty-seven dogmatic reasons cited by Cardinal

    OTTAVIANI and BACCI as justification for rejecting the

    "New Order of the mass,
    "the Number Eleven, dealing with

    " THE CHANGE IN FORMULATION," calls for our special attention.

    Ever since the COUNCIL OF TRENT's INFALLIBLE definitions on the Mass
    were published in 1566 by Pope ST. Pius V,

    no Catholic has ever questioned the Church's teaching that the proper
    FROM for the Consecration in the Mass
    ---EVERY WORD OF IT NECESSARY-- FOR THIS IS MY BODY--FOR THIS IS THE
    CHALICE OF MY BLOOD--THE MYSTERY OF FAITH--WHICH SHALL BE SHED FOR YOU
    AND FOR MANY--UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.

    Of the THIRTY-SIX POPES who succeeded ST. Pius V

    NOT ONE ever dared to change as much as ONE WORD in that Consecration
    form. And, up to ten years ago, even the wildest liturgical
    Reformations-- knowing as well as any other Catholic that very
    validity of the Mass was at stake-- always agreed that

    NO ONE, NOT EVEN A POPE, could or would ever touch the words of
    Consecration, or the entire Canon, for that matter.
    Enters the "progressive" (liberal) former Pius XII--exile
    (Montini-Paul VI) from Milan on

    the scene, and in scarcely more time than it took us to get used to
    the pope without a tiara, the world is told that the only Mass allowed
    from now on, is a NEW one, with an abbreviated and, at least in some
    of it's "official" translations, MUTILATED CONSECRATION FORM.

    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/abplefebvreforum/fr-gommar-a-de-pauw-t224.html

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  33. Even though I am not Catholic I truly enjoy your site.

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  34. Sometimes I do not know whether to laugh or cry at some of your posts. So many souls going to hell over false teachings. Lucifer came at Vatican II with his false light and is turning men to the new age.

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  35. "Events change the obligation." -Fr. DeMaris

    This is great encouragement to the persecuted Church from over 200 years ago, post French Revolution:

    "They have taken away my LORD!
    Pascendi Gregis Youtube"

    22 Jul 2017
    Letter of Fr Demaris,
    Professor of Theology Missionary of St.
    Joseph, Lyons Year 1801.
    m.youtube.com

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4qezpN2T5fs

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  36. Will you give a listing for the radio shows come January? Thank you for giving the podcast option as well.

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  37. The council can in now way be understood in the light of tradition as the neo sspx now claims. 5 percent poison nullifies this false council

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  38. Is it true Montini was a homosexual? I heard he was a Jew too?

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  39. Vatican II is “fromunda” cheese. You can smell it a mile away.

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  40. St. Kolbe “These men without God find themselves in a tragic situation. Such implacable hatred for the Church and the ambassadors of Christ
    on Earth is not in the power of individual persons, but of a systematic
    activity stemming in the final analysis from Freemasonry. In particular, it
    aims to destroy the Catholic religion. Their decrees have been spread
    throughout the world, in different disguises. But with the same goal –
    religious indifference and weakening of moral forces, according to their basic
    principle – ‘We will conquer the Catholic Church not by argumentation, butrather with moral corruption.‘”

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  41. Will you ever do live call in shows? Would be great to call in and ask questions. What do you think?

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  42. Eric, do you think Pope Benedict XVI will repent of Vatican II? Would we ever know if he makes this public?

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  43. What do you think of Mark Mallet?

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  44. It is so hard to find a church these days? Any links to streaming masses?

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  45. This website is the best. This is my first stop everyday. I like how you cover those areas that other sites wont talk about or very little. I am new to your podcasts but I am sure I will learn a lot. Morgan

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  46. This is my fourth try trying to comment. I wish you had abetter system in place. I don’t want to sound complaining it is just very difficult. Love the article though.

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  47. Like you said only faith will get us through these times ahead. My advice is to not pay a lot of attention to the news. Keep praying keep making reparation nothing else matters, #concernedcatholic

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  48. Who do you think will be the Holy Pope? I have heard it would be an Italian or Roman?

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  49. Just found your site a few days ago. I really love it. Thanks for keeping all the information coming. Some other sites rarely update.

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  50. Eric how old are you? Have you ever said?

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  51. Did you see Cardinal Burke say that this might be the end? I am not a big fan either of Cardinal Burke but I thought that was interesting.

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  52. Yeah, there's no doubt that he's starting to wake up. Still not there yet, tho. Lots of ground to cover yet.

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  53. Maria R: Let us focus on the positive. Our Lady said the Church would be restored through her intercession. Trials like these must come. Let us all encourage one another. I will be stopping in daily to your site,thank you

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  54. Very thorough article with a lot of quotes. Looking forward to the next. I am new to Tradition and trying to figure my way through this mess.

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  55. "Sedevacantism is not the answer it is simply another sect outside of the Church making up their own rules which break Church Law, as are all the others out there. There is only one answer and that is to keep the Faith at home privately,"

    You also hold there is no valid pope, so you believe the See of Peter is vacant and are a variant of the tribes of sedevacantists! In the case of the French revolution, a schismatic sect sent the priests which the people refused to go to because they were not sent by the pope. Catholics at the time of the French Revolution, had no just reason to refuse a priest sent by the pope, thus those who sent priests, but were not with the pope, were schismatic. St. Athanatius and St. Hermonguild had a just reason to refuse priests sent by the pope. Schism is the refusal of unity with a fellow Catholic without just reason. Because the theology of the sedevacantists is from theologians and not the magisterium, their heresy is under allowed disputance, thus unity with them cannot be refused for any just reason. Since the heresy of the conciliarists was condemned by the magisterium, there is a just reason to refuse unity with them.

    In a theological debate, arguments are put forth to see if they fly, your argument simply does not fly because of the example set by St. Athanatius and St. Hermonguild!

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