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Monday, November 20, 2017

SSPX SINKING? Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?

SSPX SINKING?  Is the SSPX's Prelature Close?

"While the prelature will add little extra to these bad principles which have already been advanced and imposed, the general reaction will not be based on a question of principles, since these have already been abandoned long ago, but rather on a matter of practical interest."


Bishop Fellay has just made a fairly discreet tour of France, visiting the different traditional communities of France. We didn't get wind of all his words but in general we know that he firmly stands by his position that the current Pope wants our good.
These kinds of tours are usually to prepare minds: no grand public speeches or stormy conferences but rather speeches greasing up the local authorities in order to reassure them of the sincerity of their fighting dispositions, but at the same time words that are sufficiently vague and evasive to start opening minds to the idea of ​​a certain upcoming event.
The last bastion that resisted the policy of Menzingen (the general house of the SSPX) was France, but Rome now understands that most of the French priests and faithful will just follow the SSPX's superiors, no matter what happens next. The quantitative success of the recent Fatima pilgrimage in August, a very good turnout of seminarians in Flavigny, a well attended pilgrimage in Lourdes despite the reaction of the deans, these are all positive signs that the policy of Bishop Fellay can be carried out to its final end without much damage or danger.
Proof:
The marriage issue has been a good test for Rome and Menzingen. For a few weeks the reaction was quite lively but now it seems that everything is back under control (including and especially in France) since even those who did initially react have now accepted their sanctions. That was the first successful test.
Another test:
The other Roman test was Bishop Fellay's signing of the Correctio [Filialis]. One person commented on this forum that this signature ratified the acceptance of the council in the sense of the hermeneutics of continuity so dear to Benedict XVI. And again, no reaction. Even a Fr. de Jorna [rector of the SSPX seminary in Switzerland] (who did react back then against this famous hermeneutic) no longer flinches. This was the second successful test.
Minds seem ready now for a prelature.
Even if the announcement of a prelature will make the ones on the inside (but not the Resistance fighters) shudder because they had drawn this line in the sand to leave their congregation, their tacit acceptance of all these past reforms will inevitably catch up with them. In all those who did not really react when it was easy and possible, there is now an inevitable spirit of wait and see what this phenomenon of a "prelature" will bring. There will surely be a lot of ink, words, maybe some annoyances, but they will find themselves in the same situation as in 2012 with the serious and false decisions of the [general] chapter, and in 2013 with the mock lawsuits, and in 2014 with the address to the faithful, and in 2015 with the recognition of confessions within the conciliar framework, and in 2017 with the marriage issue etc. While the prelature will add little extra to these bad principles which have already been advanced and imposed, the general reaction will not be based on a question of principles, since these have already been abandoned long ago, but rather on a matter of practical interest.
But the practical interest will be the same as these past years: it will be easier in practice to follow (while dragging their feet of course) the new reform rather than to resolve not to follow it.
Since almost all the faithful and priests of the district of France have resolved to remain in the administrative framework of the SSPX without morally or materially helping or supporting the handful of priests and faithful who did manage to escape, there will be no additional reason to leave this framework and to consider the reconstruction of another one.
This observation is certainly sad but unstoppable now. And Rome knows it.
That is why Rome and Menzingen have no fear of having to complete the process of canonical recognition within a time frame that can be short enough now. Maybe the prelature is near, but the setting is certainly ripe for it.

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38 comments:

  1. We Catholics NEED TO BE UNITED NOT DISPERSED.Lets remember the words of Jesus to Peter: I give to you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven whatsoever you bind on earth will be bond in heaven, whatsoever you loose on earth will be loosened in heaven. If the pope decides to give communion to remarried people he can do by the authority given him by Jesus Christ. Moses was not condemned by permitting divorce e remarry, was should be the pope? Lets remember other words of Jesus I did not come just but for sinners; the sick is the one deeding the doctor. Lets pause and think and not act li pharisees.

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    1. FALSE THE POPE CANNOT CHANGE THE FAITH, WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID IS HERESY
      VATICAN II ISNT CATHOLIC

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    2. Let's try this again-- God help those who remain in the SSPX now.

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  4. Archbishop Lefebvre
    “This Second Vatican Council Reform, since it has issued from Liberalism and from Modernism, is entirely corrupt; it comes from heresy and results in heresy, even if all its acts are not formally heretical. It is thus impossible for any faithful Catholic who is aware of these things to adopt this Reform, or to submit to it in any way at all. To ensure our salvation, the only attitude of fidelity to the Church and to Catholic doctrine, is a categorical refusal to accept the Reform.”

    Archbishop Lefebvre
    “This Second Vatican Council Reform, since it has issued from Liberalism and from Modernism, is entirely corrupt; it comes from heresy and results in heresy, even if all its acts are not formally heretical. It is thus impossible for any faithful Catholic who is aware of these things to adopt this Reform, or to submit to it in any way at all. To ensure our salvation, the only attitude of fidelity to the Church and to Catholic doctrine, is a categorical refusal to accept the Reform.”

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  5. We have to continue to pray for the leaders of the Society

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  6. The SSPX is getting more liberal and using language the Conciliarist’s use. Not looking good.

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  7. What times for the Church of Christ. How many will be left holding to Tradition? I pray they don’t cave in

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    1. In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved..that'll be our guide!

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  8. so, at what point do I know that SSPX mass is invalid and I should no longer attend? I don't know of any other traditional masses in my area (SW Missouri)?

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    1. THE SSPX MASSES ARENT INVALID THEY ARE COMPROMISED YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT IS ENOUGH NOT TO ATTEND...HEADING IN WRONG DIRECTION FOR SURE....

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    2. Actually, Archbishop Lefebvre compromised in the early 80s.
      Just read the old Angelus press articles.

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    3. HE ALWAYS CORRECTED HIMSELF ONCE HE KNEW HE WENT TO FAR...

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  9. Archbishop Lefebvre would not have approved of Fellay’s action these past years. Here ally needs to be removed if possible

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  10. Eric what do you make of Cardinal Tagle?

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  11. What is Bishop Williamson up to these days? Any updates?

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  12. Bishop Fellay really made a bad call listening to "ex" Mason John Salza. Especially when he had a knowledgeable theologian like Father Paul Kramer to turn to.

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  13. Whose practical interest?

    The hermeneutics of continuity attempts to reconcile the irreconcilable : the Syllabus of Errors (Catholic dogma) with the counter syllabus of errors (Vatican II principles, Masonic errors and ambiguities)

    "The diffusion and adherence of the Roman authorities to the Masonic errors many times condemned by their predecessors is a great mystery of iniquity which ruins the Catholic faith in its foundations" Archbishop Lefebvre
    http://sodalitium-pianum.com/last-handwritten-letter-of-archbishop-lefebvre/

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  14. Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, Paragraph 15, 29 June 1896 >
    "No one, therefore, unless in communion with Peter can share in his authority, since it is absurd to imagine that he who is outside can command in the Church."

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  15. I don't really understand all this technical stuff about the SSPX and a prelature and all. I do know I prefer the Traditional Latin Mass to the NO and I try to live my life according to the way I was taught by my parents, both pre Vatican II and, as the word of God did not change because of Vatican II, after Vatican II. My biggest concern is that after not being able to attend a Latin Mass for nearly 30 years, until the FSSP came along, I'd hate to lose it all over again . . .

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    1. unfortuantely the fssp as a whole adheres to vatican 2..there a re a few priests who i think hold a similar position tho

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  16. Those who are afraid of losing the True Mass and sacraments are welcome to contact the SSPX Resistance priests and laity.

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    1. thx for stopping in...hope to see u here daily

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