“The Fight Against the “Spirit” of Vatican II??”
Laymen’s Guide: Expose on Pseudo-Traditionalism
Even, however, if we leave it to God and to Peter’s true successors to sit in judgment of these things, it is nonetheless certain that the Council was deflected from its purposes by a group of conspirators and that it is impossible for us to take any part in this conspiracy despite the fact that there may be many satisfactory declarations in Vatican II. The good texts have served as cover to get those texts which are snares, equivocal, and denuded of meaning, accepted and passed.
Archbishop Lefebvre (I Accuse the Council)
"The Conciliar Church is
heretical & schismatic"
Argument- “We are not fighting the Council (it is valid) as a whole or all texts themselves we are fighting the spirit of Vatican II” You will hear this impotent argument coming out of the varying pseudo traditionalist camps (the Neo-SSPX included) but let us logically ask ourselves a question. If the Council’s spirit was bad how could a “bad spirit” produce orthodox or traditional texts? The Holy Ghost is 100 percent truth not 95 percent truth as the Neo-SSPX implies in their new position on Vatican II. We know the Council was not dogmatic and not an act of the solemn Magesterium but how does this pseudo traditionalist argument fly in light of logic? If the Holy Ghost were present at Vatican II there would be no error nor heresy… yet there are. If the Holy Ghost was not present at the Council and the Council “is in error” and “teaches heresy” (religious liberty) how does the Neo-SSPX say we can accept 95% percent of the texts as if we can at all accept the Council? The answer is a Catholic cannot and hence ‘the Resistance”.
|Certain pseudo traditionalists like the Neo-SSPX|
believe the Holy Ghost teaches only
95 percent truth (given their position on the
Vatican II texts.)
1 Cor 14: 33:
For God is not the God of dissension...
|"The Remnant is poison for your soul"|
|Bishop Fellay handed over a heretical/schismatic|
Declaration in 2012 which HAS NEVER OFFICIALLY
been retracted. He is the dissident.
Certain pseudo traditionalists (Chris Ferrera included) argue that they are at war with “the neo-catholics” and yet they are no different. They are every bit as “neo-cat” as the ones they accuse. The Catholic Church has never taught you can commune with modernists and this is exactly what the pseudo-traditionalist camps try to do. They even now get together in their varying positions in a certain “pseudo traditionalist ecumenism” which Archbishop Lefebvre completely abhorred and told souls to avoid (read the book “Impossible Reconciliation by Fr. Rioult). "The current Pope and bishops no longer hand down Our Lord Jesus Christ, but rather a sentimental, superficial, charismatic religiosity, through which, as a general rule, the true grace of the Holy Ghost no longer passes. This new religion is not the Catholic religion; it is sterile, incapable of sanctifying society and the family." Archbishop Lefebvre (Spiritual Journey pg. 9) Rorate Caeli, the Remnant, Society of St. Pius X/DICI, Michael Voris, Father Zuhlsdorf are all poison for your soul. #EagleoftheWest
TCK Radio: Pseudo Traditionalist Ecumenism
Related Quotes on rejecting novelty & heresy:
|"I love me some pseudo-traditionalism. |
I love this comfort of
appearing to be in the Church!!"
How did Archbishop Lefebvre answer Bishop Fellay’s/Neo-SSPX’s future new position of “let us enter the Church to make it Catholic” (as illogical and uncatholic as that even sounds…)
“To stay inside the Church, or to put oneself inside the Church - what does that mean? Firstly, what Church are we talking about? If you mean the Conciliar Church, then we who have struggled against the Council for twenty years because we want the Catholic Church, we would have to re-enter this Conciliar Church in order, supposedly, to make it Catholic. That is a complete illusion. It is not the subjects that make the superiors, but the superiors who make the subjects.
How did Archbishop Lefebvre refute Bishop Fellay’s/Neo-SSSPX’s future new position on the Conciliar Church being the “visible church” as excuse to re-enter it?
... This talk about the "visible Church" on the part of Dom Gerard (another pseudo traditionalist of his times) and Mr. Madiran is childish. It is incredible that anyone can talk of the "visible Church", meaning the Conciliar Church as opposed to the Catholic Church which we are trying to represent and continue.
How did Archbishop Lefebvre answer the Neo-SSPX’s claim that it is not necessary to be transparent before the faithful in terms of what they believe?
Bishop Fellay tried hiding his heretical/schismatic Declaration of 2012 and got caught red handed. No wonder they were trying to hide and conceal!
"The Catholic faithful have a strict right to know that the priests to whom they have recourse are not in communion with a counterfeit Church which is evolutionary, pentecostalist, syncretist." (Abp. Lefebvre, Open Letter to Cardinal Gantin, Prefect of the Congregation of Bishops. Econe, 6th July, 1988.)
“We are suspended a divinis by the Conciliar Church and for the Conciliar Church, to which we have no wish to belong (but Bishop Fellay does). That Conciliar Church is a schismatic Church, because it breaks with the Catholic Church that has always been. It has its new dogmas, its new priesthood, its new institutions, its new worship, all already condemned by the Church in many a document, official and definitive.... The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is, therefore, not Catholic. To whatever extent Pope, Bishops, priests, or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church...”
The Conciliar Church, having now reached everywhere, is spreading errors contrary to the Catholic Faith and, as a result of these errors, it has corrupted the sources of grace, which are the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments. This false Church is in an ever-deeper state of rupture with the Catholic Church. Resulting from these principles and facts is the absolute need to continue the Catholic episcopacy in order to continue the Catholic Church. ... This is how the succession of bishops came about in the early centuries of the Church, in union with Rome, as we are too in union with Catholic Rome and not Modernist Rome. Archbishop Lefebvre
|Which one of these Bishops is actually |
following what their own founder taught?
Answer; it is not the bishop on the left....
Archbishop Lefebvre sums up what the Neo-SSPX now denies along with the other pseudo traditionalist camps.
"This Council represents, both in the opinion of the Roman authorities as in our own, A NEW CHURCH which they call themselves the "CONCILIAR CHURCH".
Thus the Council itself is heretical. It is the pastoral basis of a NewChurch which soon gives way to an Apostate Church (secular humanism). It is silently schismatic already. When will the pseudo traditionalists recognize the objective facts of the case and realize their position does not hold up to proper Catholic teaching and the examples provided when heresy enters into the Church. Would you enter into a Church where you knew numerous souls were infected with ebola? Then why would you accept/support/commune with these pseudo traditionalist groups who imply you can? They (Vatican II modernists) have the buildings we have the Faith. Thus,the Pseudo traditionalists are “dressed up” modernists and liberals which vary in degree(s). In the conclusion, Pseudo-Traditionalism, remains more imprudent and dangerous to the soul than sedevacantism of which both are errors.
Have courage fellow Resistants…. fellow eagles….We have been thru a similar storm in the Arian Crisis. Let the words of an earlier “Archbishop Lefebvre” resonate in your soul.
"May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises – but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle – the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith? True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...
|"They have the buildings we have the Faith!"|
"You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.
"Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ." St. Athanasius Doctor & Father of the Church
Father Hesse (Doctorate of Theology/Canon Law):
Vatican II is NOT Council of the Catholic Church
Vatican II is NOT Council of the Catholic Church