Reactions From Resistance In Recent Developments Between NeoSSPX & Modernist Rome
Video Included...
At 3:00 Bishop Fellay talks about how Rome is offering the SSPX a new
body. At the head will be a bishop chosen by the Pope from 3 names that
are presented by the Society and taken in the Society.
At 14:34 he says that the latest SSPX "victory" is that they have in writing from Rome a statement that says that the SSPX can freely ordain priests without permission from the local Ordinaries.
At 14:34 he says that the latest SSPX "victory" is that they have in writing from Rome a statement that says that the SSPX can freely ordain priests without permission from the local Ordinaries.
Deus Vult: What a joke. The Society has been ordaining Priests without permission
from the local Ordinaries for over 40 years under the Catholic Church's
supplied jurisdiction in a crisis situation.
The only difference with this which Bsp. Fellay's trying to sell, is that the sspx will now officially be connected to the schismatic conciliar Church.
Please read Archbishop Lefebvre's many warnings as to the danger of putting themselves under Rome.
Now it will be true, with the blessing of Bsp Fellay, the sspx will officially be schismatic.
The only difference with this which Bsp. Fellay's trying to sell, is that the sspx will now officially be connected to the schismatic conciliar Church.
Please read Archbishop Lefebvre's many warnings as to the danger of putting themselves under Rome.
Now it will be true, with the blessing of Bsp Fellay, the sspx will officially be schismatic.
In the video, at about the 33 min. point, Fr. Hesse's explanation about validity of sacraments, helps to further understand our peculiar situation in this crisis.
At 39 min. he answers a question from a lady regarding validity of ordination. He even states, that he himself (42 min.) was ordained in a schismatic rite. He further explains in detail, how his ordination, even though in a schismatic rite, is indeed valid.
Main point here is Fr. Hesse is reinforcing what Archbishop Lefebvre said, the conciliar Church is a schismatic Church, “It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.” (Abp. Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey, p. 13)
At 39 min. he answers a question from a lady regarding validity of ordination. He even states, that he himself (42 min.) was ordained in a schismatic rite. He further explains in detail, how his ordination, even though in a schismatic rite, is indeed valid.
Main point here is Fr. Hesse is reinforcing what Archbishop Lefebvre said, the conciliar Church is a schismatic Church, “It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith.” (Abp. Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey, p. 13)
Machabees: A real "victory" at the cost of giving modernist rome the compromise of
controlling all their judicial, administrative, and sacramental actions
to effectively subdue the neo-sspx priests and its people.
At the same time we are to believe from Bishop Fellay two months ago in his letter to his people that they are staying away from the modernists - UNLESS - there is [some strange] "providence" from God. How lovely...the "providence" is happening...including a "head" to be chosen by the modernist pope to lead the neo-sspx.
Gee, who may that be who favors all things conciliar - Fr. Schmidberger, Fr. Pfluger, Fr. "blooper" Rostand...?
Question. How can one be in and out at the same time?
Bishop Fellay also said in a May 13, 2016 Interview with the National Catholic Register, "Little by Little Rome Is Giving Us All We Need for Reconciliation". Including to say within the same interview, “It will be quite a work, and it will take time to be able to bring the faithful to realize this new face in the history of the Church, this new reality,” Adding, "not moving ahead “because things are bad is by no way what God, Our Lord, is requesting from his apostles.”
So "providence" has been on Bishop Fellay's side he says while he betrays the faith and makes a full conciliar implementation program here, Neo-SSPX Acclimating the Faithful to Accept the Conciliar Revolution.
So, how can one be in and out at the same time?
At the same time we are to believe from Bishop Fellay two months ago in his letter to his people that they are staying away from the modernists - UNLESS - there is [some strange] "providence" from God. How lovely...the "providence" is happening...including a "head" to be chosen by the modernist pope to lead the neo-sspx.
Gee, who may that be who favors all things conciliar - Fr. Schmidberger, Fr. Pfluger, Fr. "blooper" Rostand...?
Question. How can one be in and out at the same time?
Bishop Fellay also said in a May 13, 2016 Interview with the National Catholic Register, "Little by Little Rome Is Giving Us All We Need for Reconciliation". Including to say within the same interview, “It will be quite a work, and it will take time to be able to bring the faithful to realize this new face in the history of the Church, this new reality,” Adding, "not moving ahead “because things are bad is by no way what God, Our Lord, is requesting from his apostles.”
So "providence" has been on Bishop Fellay's side he says while he betrays the faith and makes a full conciliar implementation program here, Neo-SSPX Acclimating the Faithful to Accept the Conciliar Revolution.
So, how can one be in and out at the same time?
Bishop Fellay is also running around in his promotion of "all things
conciliar" to the remaining friend religious communities, as he did
recently to the Benedictines in Silver City, New Mexico, telling them in
a minor order sermon the same thing that he/they can "freely" ordain
priests and adding (at minute 6:00) that it is necessary to be in order
with "incardination" from the Church. True as it is; plain also is his own push for "incardination" into the conciliar church.
http://www.ourladyofguadalupemonastery.com/index.html
Fr. Pfluger did say they are "irregular" and must be canonically reconciled or they will become "sedevacantist". As he also said here,
http://www.ourladyofguadalupemonastery.com/index.html
Fr. Pfluger did say they are "irregular" and must be canonically reconciled or they will become "sedevacantist". As he also said here,
“As for us, we also suffer a DEFAULT,
because of our canonical IRREGULARITY. It is not only the state of the
post-conciliar Church which is imperfect, SO IS OURS.” And further on:
“The obligation to work actively to overcome the crisis cannot be
disputed. And this work BEGINS WITH US, wanting to overcome our
canonical state ABNORMAL.”(Kirchliche Umschau, October 17, 2012)
The Merry-go-round and round of the neo-sspx...
Immaculata: First point: Bishop Fellay says there will be no change for the sspx...they can stay as they are,,,Then why do they want a NO Bishop overseeing them..And what exactly is the role of the new Prelature?
Secondly, Fr Pfuger, did the Archbishop put a time limit on the SSPX standing separate from the conciliar church?
At what point in time did the SSPX actually become 'irregular'.
and at what point does the sspx become 'sedevacantist'.? Fr Pfuger is just bulldozing the faithful who are not thinking. He just likes playing on words to scare the faithful into their way of thinking so they will go along with the merging with Rome. How dare they try to manipulate the faithfuls' minds!
ROME IS THE ONE WHO BECAME 'IRREGULAR' WITH THE ARRIVAL OF VATICAN2. THE SOCIETY, WHICH THE ARCHBISHOP FOUNDED WAS THE LIFEBOAT FOR CATHOLIC TRADITION! THE ONLY WAY THE WORK BEGINS WITH US (AS fR PFLUGER SAYS) IS BY OUR WORKS AND PRAYERS FOR ROME'S RETURN TO THE FAITH!
And the other ploy of 'sedevacantism'. The Archbisop never said..We form this Society for a certain amount of time, but then we must try to negotiate with Rome, lest we become Sede...NO, THE ARCHBISHOP DID SAY..NO COMPROMISE WITH ROME! Nothing UNTIL ROME comes back to the faith!
Smiley: In 1987 Abp. Lefebvre:
“I said to him [Cardinal Ratzinger, who became Pope Benedict XVI] ‘Even if you grant us a bishop, even if you grant us some autonomy from the bishops, even if you grant us the 1962 Liturgy, even if you allow us to continue running our seminaries in the manner we are doing it right now—we cannot work together! It is impossible! Impossible! Because we are working in diametrically opposing directions. You are working to de-Christianize society, the human person and the Church, and we are working to Christianize them. We cannot get along together!’” (Marcel Lefebvre, Bp. Tissier de Mallerais, p. 548).In 1987
“I said to him [Cardinal Ratzinger, who became Pope Benedict XVI] ‘Even if you grant us a bishop, even if you grant us some autonomy from the bishops, even if you grant us the 1962 Liturgy, even if you allow us to continue running our seminaries in the manner we are doing it right now—we cannot work together! It is impossible! Impossible! Because we are working in diametrically opposing directions. You are working to de-Christianize society, the human person and the Church, and we are working to Christianize them. We cannot get along together!’” (Marcel Lefebvre, Bp. Tissier de Mallerais, p. 548).In 1987
