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How Francis Is Befriending the Pentecostals
How Francis Is Befriending the Pentecostals
By Sandro Magister
In Latin America, they're pulling millions of faithful away from the
Catholic Church. But the pope has only words of friendship for them.
This is his way of doing ecumenism, unveiled here in two of his video
messages
ROME, November 19, 2014 - With the mastery for which it is known all
over the world, the Washington-based Pew Research Center has conducted a
survey on a massive scale that gives substance to a fact that was
already known in general terms, the startling decline of Catholic
membership in the Latin American subcontinent:
> Religion in Latin America. Widespread Change in a Historically Catholic Region
In
the geographical area that is used today to indicate the new center of
mass of the worldwide Catholic Church, midway through the last century
almost the entirety of the population, 94 percent, was made up of
Catholics. And still in 1970 Catholics were in the overwhelming
majority, at 92 percent.
But then came the collapse. Today the
proportion of Catholics is 23 points lower, at 69 percent of the
population. The negative record belongs to Honduras, where Catholics
have dropped to under half, from 94 to 46 percent. To get an idea of how
sharp the decline has been, it should be enough to think that it has
taken place entirely within the time span of the episcopal ministry of
Cardinal Óscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga, archbishop of Tegucigalpa and
coordinator of the eight cardinals called by Pope Francis to assist him
in the governance of the universal Church.
The collapse in the
number of Catholics has been accompanied everywhere by the exuberant
growth of "evangelical" and Pentecostal Christians, of Protestant
descent. This was known too, but the Pew Research Center has highlighted
that those who are passing from one membership to another are not
usually the most lukewarm in their faith, but the most fervent.
The
converts to the "evangelical" communities turn out, in fact, to be much
more dynamic in propagating the Christian faith. And there is also a
difference in helping the poor. While the Catholics assist them and
that's it, the "evangelicals" are not only more active in works of
charity, but also do not miss the opportunity to preach the Christian
faith to the poor.
There is also a great discrepancy in religious
practice. In Argentina, for example, the "evangelicals" who put great
emphasis on religion in their lives, pray every day and go to church
every week are 41 percent, while the Catholics are just 9 percent and
take last place in the rankings together with Chile and secularized
Uruguay.
The survey of the Pew Research Center also demonstrates
that converts from Catholicism to the "evangelical" communities are not
drawn by greater leniency on the matters of abortion or homosexuality.
The
reality is the opposite. Those most resolute in opposing abortion and
marriage between persons of the same-sex are found among the
neo-Protestants, not among the Catholics.
In Argentina, for
example, more than half of Catholics, 53 percent, say they are in favor
of homosexual "marriage," which is already legal in that country. While
among the neo-Protestants those in favor are 32 percent.
The survey of the Pew Research Center is a must-read, rich as it is in data on this epochal phenomenon.
And
it is therefore understandable that a pastor like Jorge Mario Bergoglio
- who as an Argentine has experienced in person the collapse of
Catholic membership in his country and on the continent - should wish to
act accordingly.
Otherwise there is no explanation, in fact, for
the incessant efforts that Pope Francis is undertaking with the world
leaders of those "evangelical" and Pentecostal movements that in Latin
America are the most fearful competitors of the Catholic Church. Not to
fight them, but to make them his friends.
It is an effort that he
began long before his election as pope, and that most recently had its
most conspicuous moment in the visit that he made to Caserta last July
27 to meet the Pentecostal pastor Giovanni Traettino, who has been his
friend since he was archbishop of Buenos Aires:
> Francis's Secret Friend in Caserta
In
the addressee gave on that occasion, Pope Francis presented his vision
of ecumenical relations as"unity in diversity": a sort of universal
Church in the form of a prism of which the Catholic Church would be one
facet, on a par with the other Churches and denominations.
It is
not clear how Francis might harmonize this vision of his with what is
stated by the previous magisterium of the Church in matters of
ecumenism. The fact is that he takes it greatly to heart, as emerges
from the frequent informal talks that he gives to one or another of the
“evangelical” pastors he encounters.
Pope Bergoglio usually receives them at Santa Marta. Or he reaches them in various places of the world with live video messages.
And
the words that he says on these occasions, which never appear in the
official Vatican sources, make the rounds when the recipients post them
on the web, with evident satisfaction.
One recent encounter of
this kind between the Pope and "evangelical" leaders took place at Santa
Marta during the synod last October. Francis received the widow and
coworkers of a bishop of the Communion of Evangelical Episcopal
Churches, Tony Palmer, a longtime friend from South Africa who died in a
car accident last July.
A few months earlier, Francis had sent a
powerful video message to a meeting presided over by Palmer and another
leading "evangelical" personality, Texas-based pastor Kenneth Copeland,
a proponent of the "theology of prosperity," both of whom the pope had
received in Rome on June 24.
The Popes message begins four minutes into this video:
> Ecumenismo. Papa Francisco envía mensaje de unidad a cristianos evangélicos
While
here is a link to the encounter in October, where the pope had at his
side (see photo) Palmer's widow, Emiliana, and the "evangelical" bishop
who succeeded him, Robert Wise:
> The miracle of unity
While
the following is a transcription and translation from the original
Spanish of the words spoken by Francis, with his vision of ecumenism.
__________
“LET’S NOT WAIT FOR THE THEOLOGIANS TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT”
Pope Francis to the leaders of the Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches
First
of all, I congratulate you for your courage. Yesterday at the entrance
to the synod hall I ran into a Lutheran bishop and I said to him: “You
here? What courage!” Because in another era they burned the Lutherans
alive… [laughter].
Yesterday there was a meeting organized by
Tony [Palmer]. He was enthusiastic about it, as was I, and I am grateful
to Archbishop Robert Wise and to Emiliana who have wanted to take up
the torch, the “fiaccola” [in Italian], the torch of this dream, this
dream that Tony had. The dream of walking in unity.
We are
sinning against the will of Christ, because we are looking only at the
differences. But we all have the same baptism, and baptism is more
important than the differences. We all believe in the Father, in the
Son, and in the Holy Spirit. We all have within the Holy Spirit who
prays, "now" for us, the spirit who prays in us.
And everyone
must know that there is also a father of lies, the father of all
divisions, the "anti-Father," the devil who gets in and divides,
divides… Tony talked about this a lot, about this going forward and
walking, walking together in what unites us. And that the Lord Jesus
with his power may help us so that what divides us may not divide us too
much.
I don't know, it's crazy… Having a treasure and preferring
to use imitations of the treasure. The imitations are the differences,
what matters is the treasure. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the vocation
to holiness, the same baptism and the call to preach the Gospel to the
ends of the world. The certainty is that he is with us where we are
going… He is not with me only because I am Catholic; he is not with me
because I am Lutheran; he is not with me because I am Orthodox… A
theological madhouse! [laughter].
Each one has his own identity,
and I presuppose that each of us is seeking the truth. So let's walk
together. Let's pray for each other and do works of charity together.
Matthew 25, together. And the Beatitudes, together. And we all have
talented theologians in our churches. May they do the work of
theological study. This is also another form of walking. But let's not
wait for them to come to an agreement… [laughter]. This is what I
believe [applause].
There's something else. This is called
spiritual ecumenism, but there is something else. Today we are
witnessing the persecution of Christians and… I was just in Albania…
They told me that they didn't ask if you were Catholic or Orthodox… Are
you Christian? Boom! Currently in the Middle East, in Africa, in many
places, how many Christians have died! They don't ask them if they are
Pentecostal, Lutheran, Calvinist, Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox… Are they
Christians? They kill them because they believe in Christ. This is the
ecumenism of blood.
I remember: once I was in Hamburg, around
1986 or ‘87, and I met a priest. And the priest was working on the cause
of beatification for a Catholic priest who had been guillotined by the
Nazis because he taught the catechism to the young people. But in
studying he had seen the list of those condemned to death that day, and
right behind him there was a Lutheran pastor who was sentenced for the
same thing. So the blood of the priest was mingled with that of the
pastor. The priest went to the bishop and said to him: “Either I'm
moving the two causes forward together, or I'm not doing anything."
Ecumenism of blood.
I don't know, there's nothing more I want to
say, I don't know… Just one other thing that Tony talked about, when he
was a young man. In South Africa, in the schools, whites and persons of
color went together, played together, but at lunchtime they were
separated and said: "We want to eat together." He had that desire
within: to walk together in order to be able to eat together at the
banquet of the Lord [applause]. As the Lord wills, as the Lord wills.
I
would like to thank Father Robert Wise for his presence, Tony's
spiritual father. And the presence of Emiliana, a strong woman… They
both inherit many things from Tony. We must recognize that he is the one
who has brought us together. I don't know if this desire for unity, to
continue forward creating unity, praying for each other, fulfilling the
Beatitudes together, fulfilling Matthew 25 together… Without making an
institution, freely, like brothers.
You mentioned in a video last week the Dimond brothers of Vatican Catholic's sevavacantism, but they seem to make a good case for it which is confusing:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx4a0Szsawc&list=UUqqN2e5-zgkQhHOs-ailqBQ
The Dimond Brothers are Feeneyite heretics who deny the infallible teaching of Baptism of Desire/Blood. Listen in to my talk.
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