From men to women on modesty: "My greatest temptation... was in church"
Kristine Cranley has an excellent article on the blog, http://marysaggies.blogspot.sg/2012/05/reflections-on-questions-of-modesty.html, which is a group of Catholic students from Texas A and M. Smart kids.
She asked men about modesty and her article is revealing in many ways.
To be honest, I am tired of fighting the modesty battle with Catholic
women, and even some priests who do not want to deal with this serious
problem and it is serious. Leading people into sin is sin. One good
priest I know said it was a terrible thing to see girls dressed as they
are. But, this needs to be said from the pulpit.
Read what Kristine writes here. You can follow the link to the entire article.
I’ll
never forget my shock when in college a friend admitted to me that he
found it difficult when women wore white shirts to Mass because you
could often see one’s bra straps through them. I had never thought to
check! I thanked him for the information, and thanked God I wasn't wearing a white shirt at that moment!
Or when my own brother discretely told me that my smashing new white pants were … well … see through. “When girls wear white pants” he informed me authoritatively, “guys check”.
Or,
perhaps most embarrassing of all, the time a man asked me to stop
wearing ‘midriff shirts’ to Mass. I was too embarrassed to admit I
didn’t know what a midriff shirt was. (I have since googled it and am
quite certain that I have never owned a midriff shirt, but my pants that
fateful day had been a little loose and fallen below my shirt line, and
he had noticed).
Too loose. Too tight. Too low. Too high. Who teaches us about these things anymore?
I
thank God for the men who have been courageous enough to share with me
the ways my clothing has affected them. Certainly we are all responsible
for guarding our eyes from what might cause us to sin. And yet I’m
confident that most of you ladies reading this desire to help our
brothers in Christ to live purity of heart, just as we are grateful when
they help us to do the same. But how are we to learn to love each other
well in this regard?
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Why Modesty?
First of all, I want to assert that the reason we dress modestly is NOT because our feminine bodies are bad or ugly or intrinsically ‘occasions of sin’. Simultaneously, it is NOT because all men think about is sex, or that they are incapable of looking at us without lust. Rather modesty involves speaking the truth with our bodies. While women are generally aroused through emotional warmth or physical touch, men are aroused through visual stimuli. Whether we intend to or not, revealing too much of our bodies sends a message that we are sexually available to them. As one young man recently explained to a group of women here at St. Mary’s,“there are two steps to having sex. Taking off one’s clothes and actually having sex. If someone is already half undressed, it’s difficult for one’s mind not to go to the second step”.
But meanwhile, the world seems ‘hell-bent’ on destroying in women a proper sense of what is and is not modest. Has not modern day fashion slowly desensitized us to exposing almost every part of our body that can possibly be exposed? One style may show off more and more of the leg, another the chest, the navel, the back, etc., so that slowly we’ve become increasingly comfortable with having any or every part of our bodies revealed to the public. Is it possible to wear any less clothing than a string bikini? Even being clad in solely our undergarments would cover more than many swimsuits do nowadays.
It is true that norms of modesty do shift somewhat from culture to culture. There have been cultures where women have never worn shirts and therefore their being topless was not considered sexually suggestive for the men in their society. But question of importance for us today is what message do our outfits, in our present culture and day, send to the men we are blessed to know and love?
Survey Says
Personally, I have found the responses given on the ‘modesty survey’
extremely enlightening in this regard. This survey anonymously
interviewed men seeking to live chastity on their views regarding
women’s clothing. Their answers were astounding. The following is a
sample of some of the survey questions, followed by the men’s responses
(emphasis original):- Girls can dress attractively without being immodest. 98% agree/str. agree
- Age 20 - I actually had a T.A. in one of my classes who was a beautiful woman who dressed modestly, and I had trouble paying attention to anyone but her! Her clothing never caused me to stumble and never once did I have a physical reaction to her. Instead, my heart warmed (maybe even fluttered a few times hehe) and it just made me smile. There's also a young woman from my home town who I've known for some time who has MASTERED this art. She is just gorgeous....wait, I'm rambling.... sorry. But see what I mean? The women who dress modestly AND attractively leave a much longer lasting impression on men.
- Age 20 - There is a huge difference between being beautiful and being hot. Beauty is being attractive for who the girl is as a person. Hot is being attractive as nothing more than sex appeal.
- Showing any cleavage is immodest. – 70% agree/str. agree
- Age 40-49 - I find it totally distracting. It's EVERYTHING I can do to keep my eyes on her eyes when cleavage is showing.
- Age 22 - Why? Why must you? What is your reasoning for doing it? You can be fashionable with out doing it, so why?
- Age 20 - This is the biggest thing which causes me to fall.
- Immodest clothing is not a problem (for you) when a girl in your own family wears it. – 21% agree/str. agree
- Age 24 - Maybe I am alone in this, but my "Hey! Female skin!" radar doesn't stop to check DNA first
- Age 16 - I radically disagree. It does not matter if the girl is my sister or not, it is still an assault on godly beauty, and my chastity. You see, what lust (and the whole industry that is producing all the magazines you see at the grocery store and worse) does, is it takes away the personhood of the object of lust. So then, immodesty in a mind surrendered to evil turns the woman into a thing -- it removes personality, true beauty, being made in God's image, and leaves only a thing that satisfies evil desires. Therefore, because of how destructive lust is it does matter that my sister and my best friend dress modestly.
- Bending over so that cleavage is visible down the front of the shirt or dress is a stumbling block. 90% agree/str. agree
- Age 16 - Um... Yes. That image usually sticks in my head for weeks.
- Age 21 - I cannot agree stronger. This is a big one for me. It would appear some shirt are MADE to do this. I appreciate it when girls hold there hand to their chest as they bend over. It demonstrates not only a respect for themselves, but also to me.
- Age 16 - STRONGLY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAH! THIS IS SOOOOOO DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH!!!!
- General comments to women
- Age 24 - Sisters in Christ, you really have no concept of the struggles that guys face on a daily basis. Please, please, please take a higher standard in the ways you dress. True, we men are responsible for our thoughts and actions before the Lord, but it is such a blessing when we know that we can spend time with our sisters in Christ, enjoying their fellowship without having to constantly be on guard against ungodly thoughts brought about by the inappropriate ways they sometimes dress. In 1 Corinthians 12 the apostle Paul presents believers as the members of one body - we have to work together. Every Christian has a special role to play in the body of Christ. That goal is to bring glory to the Savior through an obedient, unified body of believers - please don't hurt that unity by dressing in ways that may tempt your brothers in Christ to stumble.
- Age 26 - In high school, the place of greatest temptation toward lust was my church. Girls wore things to church that they thought were fashionable and dressy, but they would not have passed the dress code at my public high school. Church should NEVER be a guy's greatest source of temptation, in any way. Please, be especially careful when picking out your dress clothes for church, and make sure they are modest when sitting and kneeling (if you kneel in church), not just standing in front of the mirror.
In summary: cleavage, tight pants, short shorts, the infamous ‘midriff shirts’, exposed backs or bra straps: all these things compromise the grace-filled beauty of our feminine presence to our brothers in the Lord.
Women should dress modestly or expect to ‘entice a rapist’ – claims singer Chrissie Hynde
Pretenders lead singer claims sexual assault in the 1970s was her own ‘fault’ because of the way she was dressed
Women who walk around drunk and provocatively dressed should expect to be sexually assaulted, Chrissie Hynde, the lead singer of the Pretenders, has suggested.
The former chart topper claimed in a Sunday newspaper interview that
scantily clad women were likely to “entice a rapist” and that it is
their “fault” if they are attacked.
She discloses in a new memoir how she was abducted and sexually
assaulted by a motorcycle gang in Ohio in the early 1970s – but
concludes it was “all my doing” because of the way she was dressed and
the fact that she was under the influence of drugs.
She also claimed that pop stars who call themselves feminists but use
their sex appeal to sell records were effectively just “prostitutes”.
Charities said her remarks highlighted how victims of sexual assault wrongly blame themselves for their ordeals. Her comments came in an interview with The Sunday Times, which published extracts from her autobiography entitled “Reckless”.
The book details an incident when she was 21 when she was picked up by a motorcycle gang who promised to take her to a party but instead took her to an empty house and sexually assaulted her.
But she said: “If I'm walking around in my underwear and I'm drunk? Who else's fault can it be? – Er, the guy who attacks you?
“Oh, come on! That's just silly.
“If I'm walking around and I'm very modestly dressed and I'm keeping to myself and someone attacks me, then I'd say that's his fault.
“But if I'm being very lairy and putting it about and being provocative, then you are enticing someone who's already unhinged — don't do that.”
She added: “You know, if you don't want to entice a rapist, don't wear high heels so you can't run from him. If you're wearing something that says 'Come and ---- me', you'd better be good on your feet… I don't think I'm saying anything controversial am I?"
She went on to argue that many women who describe themselves as feminists were anything but in practice.
Asked whom she meant, she said: “Women who sell what their product is by using sex – that's prostitution.
“A pop star who's walking around, parading themselves as a porn star and saying they're feminists.
“They're prostitutes.
“I'm not making a value judgment on prostitutes, but just say what you are.”
Sarah Green, director of the End Violence Against Women Coalition, said: “Victims are never to blame for sexual assault, the clue is in the name, it is an assault.
“But it is very common for victims to blame themselves because there is a deep victim blaming attitude in our society.”