Bishop Athanasius Schneider: "there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition"
TradCatKnight examines this document and highlights the errors of this prelate. The original article comes way of the Pseudo- Traditionalist website Rorate.
"Conservativism" will not save your soul my good friends only Catholicism will. Sadly Bishop Schneider is a part of the "false right"/conservative crowd which undersells just how bad the documents of Vatican II are and thus many stay trapped in the Conciliar Church. Let us take a look at Bishop Schneider and some of the errors in his interview.
The usefulness of the "false right" as it pertains to the Revolution
Among these new heroes is Bishop Athanasius
Schneider, Bishop of Astana, Kazakhstan. During the previous pontificate
he had been one of the “lions” favoring the
hybrid Mass, (Pseudo traditionalist Bishop Fellay says the same now!) that is, a traditionalist-looking Novus Ordo
Mass following the plans of Benedict XVI. He also wrote two books
advocating that Communion in the hand should be abolished in the NO,
which are summarized here.
Schneider loves to appear in solemn Bishop's apparel. It is not rare to see him wearing the capa magna,
the Bishop's purple mantle with a long train. After the Synod,
Schneider made strong critiques of some progressivists at the Synod.
With these precedents, Bishop Schneider has been applauded by
conservatives and traditionalists, along with other Prelates who also
stood up against the excesses at the Synod. In less than one year he
already has free transit in many traditionalist-conservative circles, be
they clerical – SSPX, the Good Shepherd Institute – or lay – the Latin
Mass Society, TFP, the New Liturgical Movement and a variety of blogs in
the genre of Rorate Coeli, Fr. Z’s, Secretum Meum, Fraters in Unum.
To show who Schneider really is, I am transcribing very revealing documents that I found in major part on the blog
Call Me Jorge.
I double checked the sources and they appear to be authentic documents
insofar as we can rely on secondary sources on the Internet.
Schneider on Vatican II
During a symposium held in Paris in January of 2014, Bishop Schneider
made an appeal for the reform as set out by Benedict XVI. He stated his
position on the Council
“It is Vatican II Council that gave us a wider
understanding of the Mystery of the Church according to the teaching of
the Church Fathers […]. Thus, the Church is seen as ‘a people made one
with the unity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit’ (Lumen gentium 4).” (2)
Defending the last fad of Benedict XVI on Vatican II, which was the hermeneutic of continuity (here, here,
here & here), Schneider said this at the Bishops' meeting on December 17, 2010 in Rome:
“Taking account of the experience of several decades since then, of
doctrinally and pastorally confused interpretations that are contrary to
the more than two millennia continuity of doctrine and prayer of the
faith, the need and urgency rise for a specific and authoritative
intervention by the pontifical Magisterium for an authentic
interpretation of the conciliar texts with completions and doctrinal
clarifications: a type of Syllabus errorum circa interpretationem Concilii Vaticani II.
“There is need for a new Syllabus, this time directed not so much
against errors coming from outside the Church, but against errors spread
inside the Church on the part of those who maintain a thesis of
discontinuity and rupture with its doctrinal, liturgical and pastoral
application. Such a Syllabus would consist of two parts: a part marking
errors and a positive part with propositions of doctrinal clarification,
completion and precision.” (3)
Questioned about his position on Vatican II by the Fratres in Unum blog in Brazil, he said:
“We should keep good sense and the sentire cum Ecclesia. It [the
Council] is a text of our mother, the Church. … With Vatican II the
Church did not stop being our mother, even if there are points to
correct and perfect. For this reason, I say that there are also many
good things in the texts of the Council. Why should we not value this?
This has been forgotten in the debates.
“For example: there is a norm in Sacrosanctum Concilium on
liturgy that says: ‘No one in the Church – neither a priest, bishop,
cardinal nor even pope – has the right to change by himself something in
the liturgical celebration. He cannot change, take off or add
anything.’ This is a very strong norm, which does not exist even in the
Council of Trent.
“If we quote this norm without referring to the source, if we were to
make a test among the majority of progressivist clergy, they would say
that it is a norm of the Council of Trent; they would say that such a
rigid norm cannot come from the Vatican II. This is only a small
example. I know of a book in Germany called The Silenced Council in which the author listed expressions of Vatican II that are actually traditional ones.” (4)
On ecumenism (heresy) & inter-religious dialogue
On ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue, the French newspaper La Croix reported these words by Schneider:
- “Anything that can bring about a mutual knowledge and respect between religions is a good thing.” (5)
- “Ecumenism is necessary in order to be in contact with our
separated brethren and in order to love them. From the depth of the
challenge offered to us by the new paganism, we may and we must
collaborate with non-Catholics who seriously wish to defend the revealed
Divine Truth and the Natural Law that God created.” (6)
On Pope Francis, he made this general assessment less than one year ago, on May 30, 2014:
“Let us be grateful to God that Pope Francis has not spoken in the
manner that was expected by the media. Up to now, he expresses in all
his official homilies the beautiful Catholic doctrine.” (7)
These are some samples of the compromises of the “great hero” who is
charming so many conservatives and even traditionalists. In my opinion
he is clearly a false-right who has been put onstage by the
progressivist Vatican to be sure that it controls both the left and the
right reactions at the upcoming October Synod.
"False Right= Still not Catholic"
On March 18, 2013, Bishop Schneider pictured in Astana, Kazakhstan, in a meeting with Protestants, Schismatics and Jews
http://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/177bev04_27_2015.htm
NOW THE ARTICLE in QUESTION
Adelante la Fe: Your Excellence has recently visited the
SSPX [seminaries] in the United States and France. We know it was a
“discreet” meeting but, can you make an evaluation for us of what you
saw and talked with them about? What expectations do you have of a
coming reconciliation and which would be the main obstacle for it?
Mons. Schneider: The Holy See asked me to visit the two [seminaries] of the SSPX in order to conduct a discussion on a specific theological topic with a group of theologians of the SSPX and with His Excellency Bishop Fellay. For me this fact shows that for the Holy See the SSSPX is not a negligible ecclesiastical reality and that it has to be taken seriously. I am keeping a good impression of my visits. I could observe a sound theological, spiritual and human reality in the two [seminaries]. The “sentire cum ecclesia” of the SSPX is shown by the fact that I was received as an envoy of the Holy See with true respect and with cordiality. Furthermore, I was glad to see in both places in the entrance area a photo of Pope Francis, the reigning Pontiff. In the sacristies there were plates with the name of Pope Francis and the local diocesan bishop. I was moved to assist the traditional chant for the Pope (“Oremus pro pontifice nostro Francisco…”) during the solemn exposition of the Blessed Sacrament.
Mons. Schneider: The Holy See asked me to visit the two [seminaries] of the SSPX in order to conduct a discussion on a specific theological topic with a group of theologians of the SSPX and with His Excellency Bishop Fellay. For me this fact shows that for the Holy See the SSSPX is not a negligible ecclesiastical reality and that it has to be taken seriously. I am keeping a good impression of my visits. I could observe a sound theological, spiritual and human reality in the two [seminaries]. The “sentire cum ecclesia” of the SSPX is shown by the fact that I was received as an envoy of the Holy See with true respect and with cordiality. Furthermore, I was glad to see in both places in the entrance area a photo of Pope Francis, the reigning Pontiff. In the sacristies there were plates with the name of Pope Francis and the local diocesan bishop. I was moved to assist the traditional chant for the Pope (“Oremus pro pontifice nostro Francisco…”) during the solemn exposition of the Blessed Sacrament.
To my
knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and
faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they
should be accepted as they are. This was indeed Archbishop Lefebvre’s petition to the Holy See: “Accept us as we are”. (The SSPX already has canonical recognition which was given by Rome to Archbishop Lefebvre originally and now somehow due to resisting the errors/heresies of Vatican II it has been "stripped? The reality is such a judgement is invalid and illicit using Tradition as the measure for Catholicity. The Society still enjoys canonical recognition and Modernist Rome still needs converting. The pseudo trads are blind and actually believe Modernist Rome when they say they do not. Canon lawyers of Resistance agree with what I have said)
I think the issue of Vatican II should not be taken as the “conditio sine qua non”,
since it was an assembly with primarily pastoral aims and
characteristics. A part of the conciliar statements reflects only its
time and possesses a temporary value, as disciplinary and pastoral
documents do. When we look in a two millennia old perspective of the
Church, we can state, that there is on both sides (Holy See and the
SSPX) an over-evaluation and over-estimation of a pastoral reality in
the Church, which is Vatican II. (This can be misleading for it is true those holding to Vatican II try to pass it off as dogma and yet the reality is...is that in these pastoral texts there are numerous error/heresies which MUST be resisted to BE CATHOLIC and yet Bishop Schneider accepts them!)
When the SSPX
believes, worship and conducts a moral [life] as it was demanded and
recognized by the Supreme Magisterium and was observed universally in
the Church during a centuries long period and when the SSPX recognizes
the legitimacy of the Pope and the diocesan bishops and prays for them
publicly and recognizes also the validity of the sacraments according to
the editio typica of the new liturgical books, this should suffice
for a canonical recognition of the SSPX (they already enjoy it) on behalf of the Holy See.
Otherwise the often repeated pastoral and ecumenical openness in the
Church of our days will manifestly lose its credibility and the history
will one day reproach to the ecclesiastical authorities of our days that
they have “laid on the brothers greater burden than required” (cf. Acts
15:28), which is contrary to the pastoral method of the Apostles. (What is needed is Modernists Rome's conversion out of the new religion not any supposed re-recognition of the Society. Bishop Schneider serves a purpose in the "false right" crowd unforunately...")
Could this be a reaction to Bishop Morlino's letter (a few days ago) indicating to stay away from the SSPX in a bad cop vs good cop situation?
It is to be noted: Bishop Robert Morlino offered a Mass in honor of Josemaría Opus Dei (Marxist backbone of the Conciliar Church) founder some years ago on 26th June which is the anniversary of Josemaría’s death in 1975. This took place June 26, 2007. It should be noted Josemaría Opus Dei founder wrote much of Gaudium et Spes one of the most problematic documents of Vatican II.
“The
work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way
that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other
Bishops. Our Lady of Akita, approved
Expose on Opus Dei:
Fr Hesse (Doctorate in Thomistic Theology & Canon Lawyer): Opus Dei and Communism
Related:
http://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2015/05/resistance-is-there-conciliar-church.html
http://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-post-conciliar-church-universal.html
http://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2015/07/fr-kramer-conciliar-church-is-not.html
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